So...Apparently A Fully Loaded 2013 Golf R was $40k

"PS9" (PS9) 01/09/2014 at 18:30 • Filed to: None

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Ooookay....Now that we know that, it's not exactly hard to see why only 1.5k sold last year. I'm sure it's a perfectly fine car and to each their own, but for me, 256 HP+ AWD + WV Badge =/= $40k. No way I would have taken it over an Evo or a scooby hatch.

And still we can get this but not the Sirocco or any Avant...

oldirtybootz > PS9 01/09/2014 at 18:32

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CP unless you're a hardcore VW fan. I'll take a Mustang GT for that price.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > PS9 01/09/2014 at 18:36

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When I worked at the VW Dealer, they were 34-38...

N/A POWAAAHH > PS9 01/09/2014 at 18:36

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CRACK PIPE!

dogisbadob > PS9 01/09/2014 at 18:37

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They should've called it Audi S3

PS9 > oldirtybootz 01/09/2014 at 18:38

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400 used to be a lot of HP. Only the fastest supercars of the eighties, and the biggest blocks of the the 50s and 60s Muscle Car era could put down those numbers.

Now your $40k mustang can do it. Too much? Just buy one a few years old for $20k.

400 HP. For $20k.

daender > PS9 01/09/2014 at 18:42

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C6 Corvettes are starting to come down in price as well, here's one for only 21k$!

Dunnik > PS9 01/09/2014 at 18:42

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This is one of those cars that will be, someday, a great value on the used market. But new? Meh.

As oldlrtybootz1.4T notes, you can get a fully loaded Mustang GT for that kinda money. You can pretty much buy two Golfs for that. Forty large buys a lot of car.

And imagine what you could do with $40k on the used market! Buy an E24 for $5,000 and spend $35,000 restoring/restomoding it, or a 993 for $20,000, spend $10,000 fixing it, and sock away the other $10k for a future repair fund.

oldirtybootz > PS9 01/09/2014 at 18:52

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As recent as the early 2000s 400hp was still a lot. Hell, the GTO debuted in 04 with 350hp when the Mustang GT still only had 260 and a Cobra had 390. It's crazy that now a Mustang GT has 420, and probably closer to 450 next year.

Saracen > PS9 01/09/2014 at 18:55

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Um.

A 4-door Golf R with the Nav package was $36,500. Not $40k.

I got my 4 door without the Nav package for $31,800.

I decided against a WRX hatch because I couldn't stand the lack of refinement and lousy interior. I didn't even look at the Evo because of it's severe lack of practicality (no fold down seats, no hatch, tiny trunk)

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Saracen 01/09/2014 at 19:05

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People who only look at the numbers don't really get what all you get when you get an R. Plus, VW dealers were cuttin good deals on em.

Subie and Mitsubishi dealers act like they're the only one in the country.

EL_ULY > PS9 01/09/2014 at 19:05

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LOL, no mames guey :]

Saracen > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 01/09/2014 at 19:11

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*especially dolts who spout out nonsense like "lol for that money I'll have a Mustang GT".

If I wanted an American rear drive V8 muscle car, I wouldn't have bought a German AWD hot hatch!

TwoFortified > Saracen 01/09/2014 at 19:13

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Lol, is VW trolling? Their racing platform is 5-door? Ok then...

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Saracen 01/09/2014 at 19:14

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Well, I love the Mustang as well as the next guy, but the fact is that if you have a life and don't live in a snowless state, it's not a real great only car. I think the R is a perfect single-auto car. It's like a great all around car that you can literally drive everyday to do anything.

DRobin78 > oldirtybootz 01/09/2014 at 19:35

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There's a mustang building app!?

Jayhawk Jake > oldirtybootz 01/09/2014 at 19:37

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Sorry, that's a dumb comparison. Hatchback vs coupe? If you're in the market for a Golf R the mustang likely isn't an option

Saracen > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 01/09/2014 at 19:41

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The Mustang is cool, but I don't view it as an only car, regardless of where I live. If I had space for two cars, I probably would have not purchased the Golf R. But I did, I very much enjoy driving it and it's been great to me.

Besides, who leaves cars stock nowadays? R's are regularly putting down over 350hp at the crank with a few bolton upgrades and ECU tuning. Dat boost. 350hp is good enough for me.

Sinanigans > PS9 01/09/2014 at 19:43

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But... but... but. that's like 1.8 V6 mustangs!

Jayhawk Jake > Dunnik 01/09/2014 at 19:43

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A golf r is a hatchback. If you wanted a fast AWD hatchback, you aren't cross shopping Mustangs, broken ass E24s or 993s.

If I had $40k to spend, I'm likely getting a Golf R. I'd cross shop with an STi hatch, but I think I'd prefer the maturity of the golf.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Saracen 01/09/2014 at 19:44

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Yeah man, I was actually just looking at tht on the APR website. An intake and a reflash can have you up to 337hp. For one piece and a tune. Absolutely, batshit crazy. Tell em stick that in their STi pipe and smoke it.

Saracen > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 01/09/2014 at 19:57

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I have GIAC Stage 1 with a Neuspeed intake. It's a substantial upgrade in power over stock. I've thought about switching to APR but I will go Stage 2 GIAC first. I just need to decide on which exhaust and which fuel pump upgrade..

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Saracen 01/09/2014 at 20:12

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I'm a huge fan of APR. I have no idea to be perfectly honest. They just seem to be the most integrated with VW's main line.

Saracen > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 01/09/2014 at 20:17

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Yeah, in hindsight I would have just purchased the APR program in the first place. I went with GIAC because they do their initial tuning work specifically for 91 octane, and they had program switching (stock, 91, 100, valet, etc) and APR didn't have any timeline for it. APR also put out a new software update that upped gains by at least 20 horsepower for every stage of their tune. I'm hesitant because I dropped $500 for software already, not excited about doing it again.

oldirtybootz > Jayhawk Jake 01/09/2014 at 20:50

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I'm not really directly comparing them, just pointing out that if I'm spending $40k on a performance car, it sure as hell wouldn't be a VW with less than 260hp. That is a very nicely optioned GT and it has a horsepower advantage over the VW equivalent to the engine in my car. Different types of cars, yes, but in terms of performance per dollar the Golf falls on its face. It needs at least 300hp.

Saracen > oldirtybootz 01/09/2014 at 20:58

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LOL, you're saying you're not directly comparing them, and then you turn right around and directly compare them!

And no, a loaded Golf R isn't 40k. the 4-door with Nav and Sunroof was 36,500. I got my base 4-door for 31800.

oldirtybootz > DRobin78 01/09/2014 at 21:01

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Ford's mobile site lol.

Jayhawk Jake > oldirtybootz 01/09/2014 at 21:01

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No, it's not a fair comparison. In terms of performance per dollar that's a stupid comparison. It isn't fair to the golf, just like it wouldn't be fair to the mustang to compare cargo capacity per dollar.

I get it, if you had $40k you wouldn't buy a Golf. I don't blame you, but using the mustang as a means to determine that the Golf is over priced is pointless

oldirtybootz > Saracen 01/09/2014 at 21:09

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I'm just saying, that kind of money gets you alot more than 256hp...

And I was relying on the fact checking of the OP.

oldirtybootz > Saracen 01/09/2014 at 21:11

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256hp...

oldirtybootz > Jayhawk Jake 01/09/2014 at 21:12

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But 256hp. That's unacceptable for the price, I don't care how refined it is.

gabdere > PS9 01/09/2014 at 21:21

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And a 35k GTI is fair? Theres a price for AWD, power and exclusivity. As you say, it's fully loaded

Saracen > oldirtybootz 01/09/2014 at 21:21

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I can counter and say that for that kind of money you can get a car that's actually practical, that has German refinement, that you can actually drive in inclement weather.

Power per dollar ain't everything.

oldirtybootz > Saracen 01/09/2014 at 21:26

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My only point is that for the price I expect more than 256. You're really paying for the refinement and practicality. It's not the route I'd go, but I respect your opinion (and Jayhawk's) even if you called me a dolt.

To be fair, the new R with 290hp is fine in my book.

Burrito de EJ25 > PS9 01/09/2014 at 21:32

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LMAO

Burrito de EJ25 > EL_ULY 01/09/2014 at 21:35

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Estos mamones estan locos.

Saracen > oldirtybootz 01/09/2014 at 21:35

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For 3-4k more than a GTI Autobahn, the R has:

-2.0T FSI with internal upgrades from the S3, and the 50 extra horsepower along with it.

- K04 turbo and bigger intercooler from the S3

- Bigger brakes from the S3

- 18" wheels from the S3

- stiffer suspension and roll bars from the S3.

- sexy sexy front and rear body work

Sure sounds like a comprehensive package of upgrades to me. I love my leather seats, which is why I compare to the GTI Autobahn. The leather sport seats are fantastically comfortable.

And as I said, I got it for 31,800. That's barely more than Subaru dealers wanted for a WRX with leather, and WAY less than an STI. Deal.

Though to be fair, I don't buy cars without the intent of modifying them. My R is up to 300, and will be in the 350 range before long, once I decide on an exhaust system. 300 is already bloody quick in this car with its short gearing, I can't imagine I'll want or need much more than Stage 2 when I get there..

I will defend my Golf R till my last breath because it is a misunderstood but damn fine all-around car.

oldirtybootz > Saracen 01/09/2014 at 21:40

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Fair enough. Actually the more I think about it, the more I see your point. Personally, I'd love to see a Dart SRT4 take the more refined route of the Golf R with AWD and more refinement than an Evo or STI but with 300hp+ stock.

Jayhawk Jake > oldirtybootz 01/09/2014 at 23:53

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What are your other options sub $40k for a hatchback?

STi? Not anywhere close in refinement. GTi is underpowered by your standard here, and Focus ST really doesn't stack up at all on refinement. Don't even try to mention Mini, it just falls on it's face in every category for this kind of money

I'm not saying the Golf R is a great value, but it's certainly not bad when you consider your options. It's not much more expensive than a similarly priced STi in a much nicer package. It's like a high performance A3 for less than a normal one.

My point is while the power may be disappointing compared to anything else in the price range, when you compare it to its competitors, it's not bad.

Unfortunately for VW and the used market, that's such a tiny niche in the US that it sold very poorly. The next R seems promising, so promising that I'll even consider one, especially since Subaru is getting rid of the hatch STi

PS9 > Saracen 01/10/2014 at 04:38

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Umm...

This person shopping for one was told $40k or GTFO. The price was one of the reasons he didn't end up with one. Glad you got a somewhat better deal on yours, but given the take rate on these, that was the exception, not the rule.

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PS9 > gabdere 01/10/2014 at 04:42

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...power and exclusivity...

...Are we looking at the same car? Cause, I see a quick Golf. That's not bad of course, but 'power' is not the word that comes to mind when I think of a sub-300HP car. 'Exclusivity' is supposed to describe a thing a lot of people can't buy. Anyone can buy a Golf, and no model trim is production limited.

and $35k for a GTI is totally rediculous.

oldirtybootz > Jayhawk Jake 01/10/2014 at 08:14

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I already ceded to other guy that I see how the R could be worth it. And the new R has 290hp so at least they fixed that.

atf23 > PS9 01/10/2014 at 12:12

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The data showed in the article floating around is flawed. There were 5500 Rs produced for 2012-2013. They sold pretty much all of them. There's no bloated inventories of these cars. Given the production numbers, this was a hot seller. I snagged one last July. MSRP is $37K (not $40K) and got mine for $33K. Below are the sales numbers.

2012
Jan - 192
Feb - 274
Mar - 269
Apr - 352
May - 423
Jun - 447
Jul - 382
Aug - 382
Sep - 330
Oct - 274
Nov - 277
Dec - 292
2012 TOTAL = 3,894

2013
Jan - 202
Feb - 262
Mar - 227
Apr - 149
May - 175
Jun - 156
Jul -134
Aug - 117
Sep - 66
Oct - 48
Nov - 40

Dec - 20

2013 YTD = 1,598

TOTAL 2012-2013 = 5,492

Saracen > PS9 01/10/2014 at 12:24

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Actually, the few remaining '13 Golf R's out there are going for well under MSRP.

And he wasn't told "$40k or GTFO". He added taxes and such into that price. And what if it was what he felt was an incredibly low price? I'm sure he'd conveniently 'forget' to roll taxes into what he considers to be the price.

Then again, it is 4Play. He's a worthless troll.

PS9 > Saracen 01/10/2014 at 12:56

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Actually, the few remaining '13 Golf R's out there are going for well under MSRP.

You mean they are now. I imagine that wouldn't have been necessary if the take rate had been higher than it was. Something similar happened to the Mugen Si a while back.

He added taxes and such into that price.

He could have gotten it without them?

And what if it was what he felt was an incredibly low price? I'm sure he'd conveniently 'forget' to roll taxes into what he considers to be the price.

What of kittens, snails and puppy dog tails? What if it was $15k instead of $40k? What if what could have happened isn't remotely relevant to what actually did happen?

Then again, it is 4Play. He's a worthless troll.

This is my first time seeing him, so I can't comment on the quality of his posts. Trolls on the internet do in fact buy cars in real life like everyone else though, and other people (you and someone else in this thread) have seen real life Rs MSRPd for $36-38. Post taxes - which you will pay whether or not you tell anyone you did post sale - it was possible for someone to pay $40k for a fully loaded Golf R, before they started slicing the prices down. For me, that's too much. $30k though, sounds about right.

Saracen > PS9 01/10/2014 at 13:02

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My point is that some people just like to spin things one way or the other. When most people talk about car prices, we don't roll taxes into the equation. Yet, when someone feels a car is a little overpriced, they and taxes into it...hence, $30k BRZ's and $40k Golf R's!

The Golf R is a low volume car, sales were never expected to be astronomical. They actually sold more Golf R's than its predecessors.

And 4play is pure troll, he always posts stupid incendiary tripe, so I consider anything types of to be completely irrelevant.

Horse power per dollar ain't everything to everyone, you know. The R is only a few grand more than a GTI Autobahn (hey, some of us love leather seats) with a huge host of mechanical upgrades.

gabdere > PS9 01/10/2014 at 18:23

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How many of these cars were made? Think about it for a second. 5500 were made. That's exclusivity.

And for power, a 200HP GTI has plenty, imagine a 256HP GTI with 4motion.

The WRX STI is 2 grand more base, and that's ok? Anyone can buy a 42k STI too, but those cars are made for enthusiasts.

samssun > Sinanigans 01/12/2014 at 00:15

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It's also about as fast as a 1.8 V6 Mustang would be. Zing!